{"id":736,"date":"2018-07-14T14:27:24","date_gmt":"2018-07-14T14:27:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/2018\/07\/14\/leviathan-supersystem-thedevitoanditsown\/"},"modified":"2018-07-14T14:27:24","modified_gmt":"2018-07-14T14:27:24","slug":"leviathan-supersystem-thedevitoanditsown","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/2018\/07\/14\/leviathan-supersystem-thedevitoanditsown\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/leviathan-supersystem.tumblr.com\/post\/175880546719\/thedevitoanditsown-volutions\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">leviathan-supersystem<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/thedevitoanditsown.tumblr.com\/post\/175879385896\/volutions-leviathan-supersystem\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">thedevitoanditsown<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/volutions.tumblr.com\/post\/175864428217\/leviathan-supersystem\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">volutions<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/leviathan-supersystem.tumblr.com\/post\/175861827579\/thecringeandwincefactory\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">leviathan-supersystem<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/thecringeandwincefactory.tumblr.com\/post\/175850203378\/leviathan-supersystem-leviathan-supersystem\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">thecringeandwincefactory<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/leviathan-supersystem.tumblr.com\/post\/175781119494\/leviathan-supersystem-primmie-dorks-in-hunter\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">leviathan-supersystem<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/leviathan-supersystem.tumblr.com\/post\/175780302189\/primmie-dorks-in-hunter-gatherer-tribes-there-is\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">leviathan-supersystem<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>primmie dorks:<\/b> in hunter gatherer tribes, there is no need<br \/>\nfor laws or rules of any kind! within such small groups, societies<br \/>\nfunction purely on the basis of individualist impulses<br \/><b>actual hunter gatherer societies:<\/b> <a href=\"https:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=L1U9ZKoroVkC&amp;pg=PA50&amp;lpg=PA50&amp;dq=%22hunter+gatherer%22+taboos&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=bg5KHlygKw&amp;sig=jRoUoeRSsrFxyfkxLASi6YB6Ot0&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjP_63On5fcAhVGxYMKHbnND504ChDoAQhVMAY#v=onepage&amp;q=%22hunter%20gatherer%22%20taboos&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\">[strict rule against eating food you killed yourself]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>own-kill prohibitions are an interesting case actually because they only make sense when you analyze society in terms of groups instead of just in terms of collections of individuals- on an individual level, such prohibitions make no sense, they make people to rely on others even when they don\u2019t really need to<i>, but<\/i>, by doing so, they create more cohesive social groups<\/p>\n<p>on an individual level, a person who abstains from eating their own kill will be out-competed by an individual who follows no such rules, but on a group level, a group which coheres together strongly because of such prohibitions will out-compete a community which is less tightly bound together. in that context, the emergence of own-kill prohibitions makes a lot of sense. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Is this an accurate depiction of anarchoprimitive beliefs? I\u2019m asking sincerely, I know who John Zerzan is and ive had actual Native friends who have espoused their ideas but can\u2019t say I\u2019ve delved any deeper into the philosophy. I\u2019m just surprised by this because &#8211; I\u2019d say I studied anthropology because I\u2019m Native, and became an anarchist because I studied anthropology, so I guess I\u2019m astonished that one could get such a bad read on small scale traditionally anarchist societies with even the most cursory study.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>well I\u2019m sure not <i>all <\/i>primmies believe this, but it does seem to be an inevitable product of the currently trendy cross-pollination of primitivism and stirnerite egoism, so a lot of people in that overlap believe it<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>that\u2019s a clever way to say \u201cidk, i mostly made this position up\u201d. anyway, very, very few people who incorporate egoism into green anarchy are primitivists who found their views on western anthropology and idealize the past. honestly that\u2019s not even a good descriptor of a decent faction of older self-identified primitivists. the source is neat, i\u2019m just confused as to why you had to tack on something to the prim joke that\u2019s been slowly dying. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>how do such plainly dishonest people get such large followings lol. literally admitting you\u2019re just making up what you *think* someone who disagrees with you might say with almost nothing backing it up. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>well fortunately since morality is a spook dishonesty holds no negative moral weight :^) <\/p>\n<p>anyways i was responding to this post [<a href=\"http:\/\/leviathan-supersystem.tumblr.com\/post\/175762153134\/daggers-drawn-leviathan-supersystem-many-an\" target=\"_blank\">link<\/a>] fuck off <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This is not my usual fare, but I have spent the last two decades studying hunter gatherer societies, both ancient and modern. I am just going to automatically assume that anyone who refers to hunter gatherer societies and\u00a0\u201cprimitives\u201d or\u00a0\u201cprimmies\u201d is not only wrong but needs to be slapped repeatedly.\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>leviathan-supersystem: thedevitoanditsown: volutions: leviathan-supersystem: thecringeandwincefactory: leviathan-supersystem: leviathan-supersystem: primmie dorks: in hunter gatherer tribes, there is no need for laws or rules of any kind! within such small groups, societies function purely on the basis of individualist impulsesactual hunter gatherer societies: [strict rule against eating food you killed yourself] own-kill prohibitions are an interesting case actually &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/2018\/07\/14\/leviathan-supersystem-thedevitoanditsown\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-736","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/736","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=736"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/736\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=736"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=736"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tumblr.scrollofthoth.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=736"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}