Take the CEO of Aetna Life Insurance, who makes $23 million a year in salary alone. He’s one
of the guys who is going to be running our health-care program if Clinton’s plan passes.

Suppose you could convince him that he ought to lobby against having the insurance industry run the health-care program, because that will be very harmful to the general population (as indeed it will be). Suppose you could convince him that he ought to give up his salary and become a working person.

What would happen then? He’d get thrown out and someone else would be put in
as CEO. These are institutional problems.