What’s your opinion on demonolatry, the worship of demons? One side of the fence are polytheistic satanists who say they’ve benefited from the practice, the other side are traditional magicians that say demons are inherently malicious and manipulative. Both sides say the other are idiots just begging for a demon to smite them.

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I am afraid I have no opinion on the subject either way.

I would read @crossing-sun’s posts and his new book on the subject. He is much more versed in such things.

Magister Officiorum is absolutely not a demonolatry book and neither are the rest of Ody’s writings unless you consider a relationship with Lucifer demonolatry (I definitely do not). He’s a Solomonic magician (albeit one who takes a more spirit-friendly approach) who incorporates his Obeah training into the grimoire tradition. That is a very, very different thing than worshiping demons. Spirit-friendly Solomonic magick should not be mistaken for demonolatry, they are very different practices.

As an aside, unless you’re quite experienced with goetic and Solomonic magick I would not recommend Magister Officiorum. It’s an excellent book but also one you can get in real trouble with if you don’t know what you’re doing. 

I concede I know nothing about demons, worshipped or otherwise.

Well for not knowing, you certainly recommended an excellent author

I read a lot, but I don’t incorporate everything I read into my practice. I’d like to learn more about Solomonic magic, but I just haven’t the time.

Boy I feel you on not having the time to incorporate everything that interests you. There have been some pretty interesting books coming out lately that incorporate folk and/or indigenous traditions with Solomonic magick that might be up your alley.

Magister Officiorum  definitely is one and Peterson’s Secrets of Solomon has really gripped some of my tradcraft friends lately (myself as well, it’s a really fascinating work). SoS in particular is really interesting because you see a lot of tech that’s instantly recognizable as folk magick but using Solomonic spirit catalogs. It’s a strange little beast.

Oh yes, I have that one. I also want that new one by Skinner ♡♡♡

Man me too! I have to put hard limits on often I can buy Skinner’s books or I go buckwild lol

Here is my perspective. I know of others that work well for people, like Lon Milo DuQuette’s belief that demons are essentially negative traits made manifest that you can control and use to your benefit. I know people who have had good results with this model. I have not.

I essentially see demons as just another classification of spirits, and a pretty poor descriptor. A casual examination of many grimoires (like the above mentioned Key of Solomon) finds many of the demons have the names of old pagan gods. This is literal demonization. So are the grimoires describing spirits that are inherently malevolent and simply share a name with these spirits? Is it simply a Christian perspective that sees all pagan gods as inherently evil? Or have these spirits always existed and the grimoires simply giving them a bad rap? I tend to lean towards the last explanation. My work with demons has shown me that they are just another spirit, some more powerful than others. Like any other spirits they have their own goals, motivations, and morality. These things may not align with yours. They are going to try and get what they can out of a relationship with a magician, just like the magician is trying to get something from them. So you should treat them with caution, but it need not be an adversarial relationship.